admissionprof wrote:and they go on to get decent jobs.
janisper116 wrote:It's not illegal if you can reasonably claim the person's age is a hindrance to their completion of job duties. From the Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967:
It shall not be unlawful for an employer, employment agency, or labor organization-
(1) to take any action otherwise prohibited under subsections (a), (b), (c), or (e) of this section where age is a bona fide occupational qualification reasonably necessary to the normal operation of the particular business...
The only way an older PhD would interfere with the normal course of business that I can imagine is that individuals research output and potential would be severely limited by their age, which is of concern to the institution. This is along the same lines as what admissionprof said. I'm sure there are other things though.
janisper116 wrote:I think in general a younger student would give better roi just because they have more time. However, obviously an extremely motivated older individual is more valuable than a young slouch.
Andromeda wrote:American who moved to Europe here, and yes approach is much more common here than in the US where it is of course illegal. They'll often ask about your spouse too and if you have kids in some countries (translation for "will your spouse take care of the kids?"), which is similarly illegal in the US... in Germany you also need to usually send a photo along with your application, so lots of bias can come into play there too.
IRC in France which is a prime example of all this you need to basically get your postdocs and professorships in line before a very young age (like 30!) which inevitably leads to the nepotism of "I know this student's adviser and he's vouching for him, so let's hire him" because frankly you don't have enough time to establish yourself as a researcher. This nepotism frankly leads to France being much less of a science powerhouse than they should be considering how much money they put into it (as this system also does not breed many new ideas to come out of it, as you need to work on the same old topics to get your job).
Andromeda wrote:I don't think it's an unusual thing for many fellowships (in astro at least, not sure about general physics) to specify that you can only apply for them X years after you finish your PhD- aka they're not ageist because you can finish your degree whenever but after THAT the clock starts ticking. This is of course still problematic in many ways because if you want to go take a year off to have a kid for example that's a year you'll never get back research-wise when it comes to applying for the choice fellowships.
http://www.nserc-crsng.gc.ca/Students-Etudiants/Guides-Guides/PDFRegs-BPRegs_eng.asp#def wrote:Before commencing your award, you may request permission to defer it for up to three years, but only for reasons of maternity, child rearing, illness or health-related family responsibilities. You may not defer your award in order to take up another award, accept or hold employment, or pursue studies.
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