Anyone Waitlisted?
Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 10:21 pm
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ashowmega wrote:BTW, congrats vesperlynd for achieving 100% acceptances!
I just wanted to congratulate you as well vesperlynd.vesperylnd wrote:list of schools accepted to deleted by request
This is silly. There are people waitlisted everywhere, and just because you've interacted with some on an online forum doesn't make their plight more important. If you don't want to go to a school you are accepted to, decline the offer. You can bet that at every school, there is someone waitlisted for whom that school is their top choice. Don't be selfish.vesperlynd wrote:I think it would be a good idea to let people know if you are waitlisted at a school, so if an accepted person doesn't want to get there, they know which schools to decline first.
Anyone waitlisted at UCLA, UCSD, or UCSB and want to go?
Hey! I have an idea guys. If we were accepted to all of our prospective schools, we should hold it over everyone's head. Perhaps we could start a thread asking about people who are on specific waitlists. After hearing their response, we could possibly make them bow before us and beg to decline the offer for that school. This way when we decline a school and someone else we know receives an acceptance to that school, we can assume it was solely because of our actions. This will give us assurance that we are indeed a humanitarian and we will be constantly thanked.vesperlynd wrote:..
This reminded me of something I wanted to mention at some point: If you are pretty sure you don't want to go to a school, but are holding out until after the campus visit, I'd recommend emailing the school and asking if you can visit earlier. They'll say yes, it will give you clarity (for your sanity), and will make your life less hectic around decision deadline time.midwestphysics wrote:If you're not sure yet just hold out until you're ready.
vesperlynd's original post wrote:I think it would be a good idea to let people know if you are waitlisted at a school, so if an accepted person doesn't want to get there, they know which schools to decline first.
Anyone waitlisted at UCLA, UCSD, or UCSB and want to go?
HappyQuark wrote:Since vesperlynd deleted the original post, here it is re-posted from googles cache
Well let's address this for a second shall we? As my father used to say: "I'm white, straight, middle class, sane male. No one cares about me." And I'll just add I'm an international student. So, while I will admit that US students should have advantage (though at this rate I do predict eventual downfall of the US education system), I do not agree that being female should add +50% on your application (where are all you loud mouth neo feminists now?). Nor due I aprove of the policy that equals mine 50+ passed exams (US grad level with >80% physics, rest math) with 3 years undergrad or US system of picking what ever the hell you like (history,art?).bfollinprm wrote:
Though sorry, Riley (and adminprof), but I agree with midwestphysics on this one. People who have been admitted have earned that admission
I understand that there are people who deserved admission that didn't get it, and that between those who got it and those who didn't there is a lot of arbitrariness. But don't take away the fact that those who got in deserve to get in, that doesn't follow from the fact that some people who deserved to get in didn't.Goran15 wrote:Well let's address this for a second shall we? As my father used to say: "I'm white, straight, middle class, sane male. No one cares about me." And I'll just add I'm an international student. So, while I will admit that US students should have advantage (though at this rate I do predict eventual downfall of the US education system), I do not agree that being female should add +50% on your application (where are all you loud mouth neo feminists now?). Nor due I aprove of the policy that equals mine 50+ passed exams (US grad level with >80% physics, rest math) with 3 years undergrad or US system of picking what ever the hell you like (history,art?).bfollinprm wrote:
Though sorry, Riley (and adminprof), but I agree with midwestphysics on this one. People who have been admitted have earned that admission
I've already removed the information I posted so I don't know what you are still on about.vttd wrote:I think your reposting of deleted comments is really immature. You do not know the reasoning behind the original question and you are coming off really hostile. Some waitlists haven't been established, and vesperlynd could have been waiting to visit those schools, but if someone was really waiting for prospectives to decline she would have declined the ones she thought she might not attend.
Nobody is suggesting that these people don't deserve their acceptances, just that they shouldn't be inconsiderate with their decisions.bfollinprm wrote:I understand that there are people who deserved admission that didn't get it, and that between those who got it and those who didn't there is a lot of arbitrariness. But don't take away the fact that those who got in deserve to get in, that doesn't follow from the fact that some people who deserved to get in didn't.Goran15 wrote:Well let's address this for a second shall we? As my father used to say: "I'm white, straight, middle class, sane male. No one cares about me." And I'll just add I'm an international student. So, while I will admit that US students should have advantage (though at this rate I do predict eventual downfall of the US education system), I do not agree that being female should add +50% on your application (where are all you loud mouth neo feminists now?). Nor due I aprove of the policy that equals mine 50+ passed exams (US grad level with >80% physics, rest math) with 3 years undergrad or US system of picking what ever the hell you like (history,art?).bfollinprm wrote:
Though sorry, Riley (and adminprof), but I agree with midwestphysics on this one. People who have been admitted have earned that admission
I wouldn't apologize. Like I said, if I were you I wouldn't reject anything before I visited (though I would try to visit earlier). Maybe LA is a much better place than, say, SF (I don't think so, but that's only my opinion). Most of this I think is just pent-up anxiety, with a mild case of jealousness. You deserve to take your time.vesperlynd wrote:I'm really sorry I posted this thread in the first place. Half of the things mentioned here were not intended at all, and I feel really bad that they were taken the wrong way. Can one of the moderators please just delete this thread?
I'm sure I'm going to be hounded for this post now. I'm sorry.
If there’s an apology, it should be me giving it. I assumed something, which probably isn’t true, and for that I’m sorry.bfollinprm wrote: Though seriously, Vesperlynd. If you don't want to go, reject the offers. Are you expecting payment, or what?
In fact, I think that's exactly what Goran was suggesting as regards females and liberal art students.HappyQuark wrote:
Nobody is suggesting that these people don't deserve their acceptances
Glad to hear you are declining your offers that you aren't interested in. For what it's worth, I didn't assume that your initial response was so horribly inconsiderate, I was primarily reacting to the mass exodus of posts and profile info you engaged in.vesperlynd wrote:I'm really sorry I posted this thread in the first place. Half of the things mentioned here were not intended at all, and I feel really bad that they were taken the wrong way. Can one of the moderators please just delete this thread?
I'm sure I'm going to be hounded for this post now. I'm sorry.
@HQ: I declined one of them today. And probably will with another one in the next few days.
Fair enough. When I said nobody I was primarily referring to Rily, Grae, Admissionprof, myself, etc (i.e. the people you were responding to the first time you suggested that people had earned and deserved their acceptances).bfollinprm wrote:In fact, I think that's exactly what Goran was suggesting as regards females and liberal art students.HappyQuark wrote:
Nobody is suggesting that these people don't deserve their acceptances
This comes up ever year and I don't think ANYONE (Riley or admissionprof) has EVER or WOULD EVER suggest otherwise. Everyone agrees with this.bfollinprm wrote:Though sorry, Riley (and adminprof), but I agree with midwestphysics on this one. People who have been admitted have earned that admission, and with it comes the right to make their decision by April 15th. We don't have the right to move them any faster, just because it's nice for other people.
Cornell and Berkeley were tied for my top picks before visiting.bfollinprm wrote:Grae, was Cornell in your top 3 before you visited?
"dig them up" is a bit exagerated, don't ya think? I copied/pasted the web address into google and clicked "cache". Very little sleuthing actually occurred.axiomofchoice wrote:Sorry guys, but I think the reactions here are really overblown. versperlynd is probably a little extreme in removing all her posts, but if she feels uncomfortable in this forum, there is no need for you, HappyQuark, to put her old post and profile back up. [Before you say that the posts are out there whether or not it is put here, it makes a huge difference between those who made an effort to dig them up and those who just browse the forum casually.
I think there's a fine line between reminding people of this fact and pressuring them to drop schools. Riley's original post that started all this hoopla fairly obliterated it.grae313 wrote: It's just a really nice thing to do, both for the students and for the schools, and so we remind people every year to please do this. If you're still considering it, for god's sake, don't decline your offer.
I certainly wouldn't consider myself a neo feminist, but if you are going to post rants like this, I am still going to say something.Goran15 wrote: Well let's address this for a second shall we? As my father used to say: "I'm white, straight, middle class, sane male. No one cares about me." And I'll just add I'm an international student. So, while I will admit that US students should have advantage (though at this rate I do predict eventual downfall of the US education system), I do not agree that being female should add +50% on your application (where are all you loud mouth neo feminists now?). Nor due I aprove of the policy that equals mine 50+ passed exams (US grad level with >80% physics, rest math) with 3 years undergrad or US system of picking what ever the hell you like (history,art?).
This is not aimed at anyone in particular just a RANT about the inequality that is life (regardless of how much you americans try to deny it).
p.s. I got plenty more where that came from if anyone's interested
Back to writing my thesis!
bfollinprm wrote:I think there's a fine line between reminding people of this fact and pressuring them to drop schools. Riley's original post that started all this hoopla fairly obliterated it.
First of all, I would like to point out the original reason for this thread being posted (and hence the reason why I think there was a quick extraction of the material contained after a few responses). What is everyone's impression on why this thread was posted? Obviously the original poster had been considering dropping a few of their schools. Since they were making a thread about people "waitlisted", it was fairly relevant that this was indeed the case. My response was meant to encourage that regardless of who is on what wait list, you should never hold on to a school longer than you have to. I posted my own opinion on how one should go about this and maybe that was taken as harsh.WhoaNonstop wrote: However, this is what admissionprof's request was about, and something that personally bothers me as well, even though I'm not sitting on any waitlist. You've been accepted to all 8 schools for over a week now and five of those schools for three weeks. Regardless if it is someone on this site, there is someone sitting on a waitlist somewhere that could be getting accepted to these schools. I think it is only fair to cut this list in half. I'm sure in your mind you have obvious preferences, take off the schools that you're sure you will not attend and give someone else somewhere a smile at an acceptance from another school (or even their FIRST acceptance).
-Riley
I didn't mean that post. But regardless, let's just put it all behind us.WhoaNonstop wrote:bfollinprm wrote:I think there's a fine line between reminding people of this fact and pressuring them to drop schools. Riley's original post that started all this hoopla fairly obliterated it.First of all, I would like to point out the original reason for this thread being posted (and hence the reason why I think there was a quick extraction of the material contained after a few responses). What is everyone's impression on why this thread was posted? Obviously the original poster had been considering dropping a few of their schools. Since they were making a thread about people "waitlisted", it was fairly relevant that this was indeed the case. My response was meant to encourage that regardless of who is on what wait list, you should never hold on to a school longer than you have to. I posted my own opinion on how one should go about this and maybe that was taken as harsh.WhoaNonstop wrote: However, this is what admissionprof's request was about, and something that personally bothers me as well, even though I'm not sitting on any waitlist. You've been accepted to all 8 schools for over a week now and five of those schools for three weeks. Regardless if it is someone on this site, there is someone sitting on a waitlist somewhere that could be getting accepted to these schools. I think it is only fair to cut this list in half. I'm sure in your mind you have obvious preferences, take off the schools that you're sure you will not attend and give someone else somewhere a smile at an acceptance from another school (or even their FIRST acceptance).
-Riley
-Riley
I disagree. The most important thing after research (which every school you apply to should qualify on) is how you'd fit in the department you're going to have to spend 5-6 years in. And you can't find that out until you visit.Even if one was to apply to the top 10 programs and get accepted to all of them, there are so many factors that should help to eliminate a few of these schools. Location, stipend amount, cost of living, research interests, etc. It is under my impression that one should not have to visit every top 10 school, even if they were accepted to them. I think one would have fairly clear preferences without visiting, which should cut the list down.
This year that's not quite true, or so some people have been saying. Especially at state schools. There literally is NO extra money in budgets, so they can't risk a large class.negru wrote:umm you guys realize that refusing an offer does not translate to someone else getting an offer, right? Most school admit sometimes up to twice as many students that they can enroll, knowing that about half of them will decline? So unless way way more students decline the offers than expected, no one will be getting off the waitlist.
I also disagree. There are some things you just don't get a sense of until you visit. Each department has it's own feel and you really have to go and interact with the students that might become your peers and the professors that might become your adviser. You have to see the city and tour the facilities. It wasn't until I visited Stanford that I realized most of the people there were little shits, the town was stuffy, and the nanotech facilities were glossy and new but under-equipped. It wasn't until I talked with my potential adviser at Berkeley and his students that I realized I wouldn't be happy in what I thought was one of my "dream groups" and it wasn't until I felt completely at home with the professors and grad students at Cornell and got blown away by CNF that I was able to make my decision.bfollinprm wrote:I disagree. The most important thing after research (which every school you apply to should qualify on) is how you'd fit in the department you're going to have to spend 5-6 years in. And you can't find that out until you visit.
Sure, there is not a 1 to 1 correlation, but I don't see how this changes the arguments at all.negru wrote:umm you guys realize that refusing an offer does not translate to someone else getting an offer, right? Most school admit sometimes up to twice as many students that they can enroll, knowing that about half of them will decline? So unless way way more students decline the offers than expected, no one will be getting off the waitlist.
You mean the post I replied with after they had deleted their posts/information?bfollinprm wrote:I didn't mean that post. But regardless, let's just put it all behind us.
I am well aware there isn't a 1 to 1 ratio here. However, if there are 10 people who don't want to go to a school and they all refuse, yes that might get someone off the wait list. It still does not make the point of declining schools you aren't expecting to go to any less important.negru wrote:umm you guys realize that refusing an offer does not translate to someone else getting an offer, right? Most school admit sometimes up to twice as many students that they can enroll, knowing that about half of them will decline? So unless way way more students decline the offers than expected, no one will be getting off the waitlist.
Actually, it typically does translate in more or less that fashion. Prospective students get wait-listed and eventually accepted/rejected based on the number of people that decline the offers. It's certainly not a simple queuing system of "this person dropped out, replace with this person" but accepting or declining offers absolutely does trickle down to the lower priority students.negru wrote:umm you guys realize that refusing an offer does not translate to someone else getting an offer, right? Most school admit sometimes up to twice as many students that they can enroll, knowing that about half of them will decline? So unless way way more students decline the offers than expected, no one will be getting off the waitlist.
I'm sorry, regardless of how you look at it, people getting an acceptance to a program while on a wait list is a function of people declining offers. You're repeating yourself again, so we're going to have to use this formula to calculate negru's total post count from here on out: Real # of Posts = Shown # of Posts / 2 - 1.negru wrote:People on the waitlist won't get accepted until the number of declined offers = total offers - number of spots. And even then only if the people on the waitlist are into the same research as the ones who declined.
Negru--it may surprise you to hear this, but you are completely wrong.negru wrote:Just to make sure you're all still with me, if
number of spots = total offers - declined offers,
then and only then will people start getting accepted off of waitlists.
Look, we get what your saying and we already addressed it. We acknowledge that when one person declines an offer, the bar doesn't get shifted one step towards the less desirable students and nobody argued that it is.negru wrote:Just to make sure you're all still with me, if
number of spots = total offers - declined offers,
then and only then will people start getting accepted off of waitlists.
Goran15 wrote:Well let's address this for a second shall we? As my father used to say: "I'm white, straight, middle class, sane male. No one cares about me." And I'll just add I'm an international student. So, while I will admit that US students should have advantage (though at this rate I do predict eventual downfall of the US education system), I do not agree that being female should add +50% on your application (where are all you loud mouth neo feminists now?). Nor due I aprove of the policy that equals mine 50+ passed exams (US grad level with >80% physics, rest math) with 3 years undergrad or US system of picking what ever the hell you like (history,art?).bfollinprm wrote:
Though sorry, Riley (and adminprof), but I agree with midwestphysics on this one. People who have been admitted have earned that admission
This is not aimed at anyone in particular just a RANT about the inequality that is life (regardless of how much you americans try to deny it).
p.s. I got plenty more where that came from if anyone's interested
Back to writing my thesis!
Correct me if I'm wrong (which I'm sure you will...), but doesn't that 5 years get you a masters degree too?Goran15 wrote: p.s. astrok - it's 5 years honey
It does. But it still doesn't change anything admissions wise. Or I am wrong?astrok wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong (which I'm sure you will...), but doesn't that 5 years get you a masters degree too?Goran15 wrote: p.s. astrok - it's 5 years honey
Goran15 wrote:It does. But it still doesn't change anything. Or I am wrong? What are the chances I won't have to take any classes on account I already passed them all (and then sum)? Is there a way of my classes being credited? Admisionsprof?