PhysicsPdx wrote:I would be more concerned that you knowingly plagiarized.
quizivex wrote:[…]If anyone here went through their whole undergrad experience without doing anything that was against some official rule, please announce yourself right now so we can shower you with lovely praise.
quizivex wrote:As for ghana, I have two suggestions.
1) If none of your (physics) profs and potential recommmenders know about this incident, consider mentioning on your SOP that you simply slept through your alarm on the day of the final and the prof couldn't offer you a retest because he left for his home country the next day. End the statement with a funny comment that you learned from the experience by setting two alarms every night.
dlenmn wrote:EDIT: Perhaps some of the profs on this forum will weigh in. Have they seen similar cases before?
cato88 wrote:chill out. Just because he didnt want to crucify the kid your going to crucify him and get personal digging up his profile.
quizivex wrote:1) Admit your mistake in all sincerity. In this case you're 100% screwed, as confirmed by ... an admission chair.
quizivex wrote:What ghana did is no worse than the students who work together on a take home exam that the prof says should be done independently. It's no worse than finding solutions online (yes I know you've all done it).
quizivex wrote:I've seen too many cases ... where people get punished far too severely for a mistake while others are getting away with equally bad things.
Ouch, someone with no credibility doubts my credibility. I guess I'll just have to pick up the pieces and move on with my life.Fritz.Zwicky wrote:And I am not a psychologist, but it is pretty clear that the Princeton dude has done his share of cheating himself, based on what he writes here.
Nah, only the ones that get caught.Fritz.Zwicky wrote:You cheat in research, you are out, end of story.
Ah yea, taking responsibility by throwing away his academic career. What an honorable way to go down. What's the point of saying that? Is anyone really going to read that and say, "yeah he's right, I don't deserve to go to grad school anyway. Forget it." It's just like promoting abstinence-only sex ed, and just as futile.PhysicsPdx wrote:Take some responsibility, for goodness sake.
Yea I didn't mean for him to use that quote verbatim... it was just an example of a stance he could take. It would sound better if he could say it was worth 40%, but otherwise he could just as well say "I messed up badly on one important assignment."dlenmn wrote:I like the sound of option 4, but we don't know how much of the grade the final paper made up. Maybe it's 20% of the grade (in which case, messing up on it wouldn't necessary mean an F in the class), but ghana_rules was still failed for cheating on it.
Again, this is a personal philosophy, not a fact. Ghana can choose to accept or reject it. Declining to bring up the F wouldn't be dishonest, either. Other personal philosophies may include:mhazelm wrote:but honesty is ALWAYS the best policy
Firstly you wouldn't know he covered it up if he did it successfully. And Ghana doesn't have to cover it up. He can choose not to draw attention to it. He can choose not to go out of his way to explain the F on his transcript. Tip #4 IMO is not covering it up, and #3 certainly isn't.mhazelm wrote:I would rather work with someone who is willing to say "yes, I made a mistake, but I sure learned from it" then someone who tries to cover up their mistake.
quizivex wrote:When I applied, I had two stigmas on my record, a 4.5 on the writing section (pretty bad for a native English speaker with a 770 verbal), and a withdraw from an art class. Since the 4.5 came after I requested a rescore from ETS for a 5.5, and I withdrew from the art class mainly because I enrolled in it accidentally due to bad advising and it wouldn't count for my core requirement, I felt I had been screwed over and thought about defending myself. I had to decide whether to address these issues in my SOP. I decided not to. I didn't cover it up or lie, just chose not to draw attention to it. Things worked out quite well.
admissionprof wrote: Lying on an application is the absolute worst thing you can do, is grounds for immediate expulsion if caught (and even revocation of the degree if caught much later).
zxcv wrote:If it makes you feel any better, I know an older grad student who was the teaching assistant for graduate statistical mechanics several years ago. A number of students copied (wrong) problem set solutions off the internet. There are cheaters even at a top 10 grad school. (I do not recall what happened to them, but they did not get off leniently.)
twistor wrote:For one graduate student to report another for this offense is even more despicable than the act of cheating. Seriously, fuckers, where is your loyalty?
twistor wrote:admissionprof wrote: Lying on an application is the absolute worst thing you can do, is grounds for immediate expulsion if caught (and even revocation of the degree if caught much later).
I can understand expulsion, but how can you revoke someone's degree? That's like saying, "We certified that you learned everything in our program, but now we take it back. By the way, you must forget all that knowledge."
If the TA for a course catches someone cheating (i.e. looking up solutions online) they are *ethically obligated* to report it.
The TA had a responsibility to report it to the instructor.
I disagree -- I think this is wrong.asouljahman wrote:My point is that the overwhelming majority of graduate physics students will not, and do not think twice about submitting these solution sets as their own, and the fact of the matter is that when it is crunch time and you have back to back assignments and sweating bullets worrying about your graduate GPA, you wouldn't think twice about it either. What's more is that professors know this to be the case! They simply look past it and award this dishonesty with an A at the end of the semester.
zxcv wrote:asouljahman wrote:There may be nothing wrong with looking at a solution set for inspiration -- that's what we do when we talk over problems with our classmates all the time. But cite it properly and at the least demonstrate that you understand what you're writing by doing the work yourself! Copying someone else's words as your own is wrong and should not be tolerated.
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