admissionprof wrote:Yes, as an admissions director, we very much look down on those who apply to us from other US grad schools. At the very least, we would need an extremely good reason why, and "you're a better school" is not an extremely good reason. (plus we would require letters from someone in the current program) It is deceptive to go into one PhD program intending to apply right away, and nobody likes that (on either end). However, there are occasionally extremely good reasons (I met, fell in love and got engaged to someone at your school, for example, or my mother lives in your town and needs convalescent care).
mike164 wrote:I was also in a similar situation. I have spoken to different faculty members in my department and I would like to just share what I have learned from them. This is a long reply. If you are pressed for time, please don't read it.
If you are currently enrolled in a P.hd program and if you are applying to a different school, you will do so because,
1) You failed the qualifiers and you will have no other option than to apply to a different school.
2) You are not in good terms with your research adviser, you want leave the research group and join a better group in a different school.
3.) You have joined the school to make a temporary stay and move to a different school after you improve your PGRE.
In all the above-mentioned cases, you will be looked down by the department for which you are applying because you will not be able to get a strong recommendation from your adviser or from other people in your department.
However, If you complete your M.S (especially with thesis) from a school with a small physics department, and later if you get interested in a field of research that is not available in your department, there is no harm in applying to a different school, provided your own adviser is able to give you a very strong recommendation.
I just want to tell you guys that if you have enrolled in a P.hd program and if you are not happy about what you are doing, you can still apply to a different school irrespective of whether you are in a P.hd program or a terminal Masters program. We are talking about United States, a land of freedom and opportunity. If you are a good and honest (transparent to your adviser about your decision) student, you will have no issues transferring to a very good school. Your interest in doing research and your research abilities (substantiated by a recommendation from your adviser and publications) will be more valued at the admissions table than your sentimental reason of falling in love or caring for your mother (Do physicists really care about others??).
I cannot imagine a situation where people at MIT or Princeton is going to consider someone because they have fallen in love with a student there, neglecting hundreds of other transfer students who have excellent academic records.
cato88 wrote:Thank you both for the comments because in my experience with people in graduate programs there are reasons that you can transfer (it is not black and white) and before mike164 and admissionprof commented there seemed to be too many people making it appear black and white that you were going to be looked down upon.
rohit wrote:thnx all, that was helpful !
now i'm being lazy here, but could someone name a few (not top 20) schools that pay terminal masters students?
grae313 wrote:cato88 wrote:Thank you both for the comments because in my experience with people in graduate programs there are reasons that you can transfer (it is not black and white) and before mike164 and admissionprof commented there seemed to be too many people making it appear black and white that you were going to be looked down upon.
Oh, come on. Everyone said, including myself, that you will be looked down upon unless you have a really good reason. That's exactly what admissionprof said. Why do I know this? Because we had this exact same conversation with admissionprof a year ago. Unless your mother is dying or your spouse is in a different city (etc, etc, read: UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCES), your application will be viewed differently than everyone else's. Differently. Simple as that.
The main point is, it is dishonest to apply for funding from a PhD program with the intention of leaving a year later. That is very much discouraged.
grae313 wrote:However, it is highly unusual and often frowned upon to apply to a PhD program and then switch. As far as I've heard, this only happens successfully in rare and extreme anecdotal circumstances.
cato88 wrote: Rohit doesn't seem to fit any of those reasons but somebody else reading the thread might so shouldn't spread doom and gloom unless one has to especially during the holidays.
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