Oh here we go again, is this your new favorite word?stardust wrote:It's also elitist.
Well that's an inherent contradiction. You suggest that anyone who stands out at a less competitive school will be mediocre at a more prestigious place, like that's the only alternative. Then where'd the second idea come from?stardust wrote:It may be better for some people to stand out at a less competitive school than be mediocre at a more prestigious place...
It has long been known that admissions committees will take an A average from a
less presitigious school than a B average at MIT. The logic is that they don't know that the A average from a less presitigious school wouldn't have gotten the A average at MIT.
Exactly. That's partly why zxcv wrote what he wrote. He knew that if Velocitaneous is at an average school, then he is not in this ideal situation.stardust wrote:It seems people at your level that you can interact with and contribute too would be ideal.
He never meant to suggest that everyone would be smarter than you at an elite program. Some of them will be, which is much closer to the reality you'll face as a scientist and a human. Being able to learn from your peers is a valuable experience. IMO, it’s worse to surround yourself with people who don’t follow any of the material and cannot do any of the homework problems and constantly harass you for help.stardust wrote:Theoretically it sounds great to surround yourself with people smarter than you, but not really.
Nobody ever was promoting that idea. Our profile thread proves it wrong. An “elitist” school? Schools can’t be intrinsically elitist, only individual people can be. And who gets to decide what schools are elitist? You perhaps?stardust wrote:Besides, I don't think people should promote a philosophy that you only get into a top school from an elitist school.
stardust wrote:I would think it pretty bleak, sad, and unfair if white males don't have to answer the question and everyone else does. In fact, the idea of that makes me sick to my stomach, as disgusting as any other kind of elitism. That's really saying to the non-white males that they have to justify their existence whereas the white males don't have to justify anything.
Seriously, you know as well as we do that white males have the least to gain from that part of the application, and yet you call us elitist snobs for not writing some BS answer? The committee's intent with this question wasn't to make students justify their existance, but to show what makes them special... If anything, leaving it blank is humble/modest, not elitist!Imperate wrote:I dont see how you can find this question offensive to minorities, if anything it is bias against white domestic males. The presence of this questions suggests that minorities or ethnic groups may have an increased chance of acceptance simply to meet their diversity quota as oppose to academic merit only.
stardust wrote:b) A at MIT, A at Podunk - not clear who to take, there is no evidence that the two students are not just as good,
but I'm sure there's people who would say MIT is harder and more prestigious and accept the MIT
person. This would be 'elitist'.
abeboparebop wrote:But all other things being equal, the average A student at MIT is clearly more qualified than the average A student at Podunk.
stardust wrote:If that were true, then why aren't all the Nobel Laureates MIT graduates?
stardust wrote:I think you are finding this difficult.
Statement A is meaningless then and untrue for that matter. An admissions committee is not going to sit
down and say is this and average A an enhanced A. Most students who achieve an A will have the other things,
and you said all other things being equal.
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