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guguma
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Rankings of Schools

Postby guguma » Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:20 pm

Does anybody know a source which can give the rankings of schools. I only know phds.org and it has too many parameters to tinker with. What I am actually seeking is a ranking list on High Energy Experiment.

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Re: Rankings of Schools

Postby butsurigakusha » Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:29 pm

The only place I know of that ranks schools by specific area is US News, but they don't differentiate theory and experiment.

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Re: Rankings of Schools

Postby fermiboy » Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:47 pm

Do they integrate theory and experiment?

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Re: Rankings of Schools

Postby will » Wed Mar 12, 2008 11:19 pm

I'm pretty sure they take the wedge product.

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Re: Rankings of Schools

Postby al-Haytham » Wed Mar 12, 2008 11:52 pm

i dont think us news ranked high energy, i remember paying them for their ranking lists and that was money poorly spent...

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Re: Rankings of Schools

Postby grae313 » Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:35 am

al-Haytham wrote:i dont think us news ranked high energy, i remember paying them for their ranking lists and that was money poorly spent...


the good thing is, they give refunds, so as soon as you realize how poorly spent your money was (and save all the rankings to your hard drive), you can get your money back. They do it quickly and with no questions asked :D

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Re: Rankings of Schools

Postby guguma » Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:28 am

grae313 wrote:
al-Haytham wrote:i dont think us news ranked high energy, i remember paying them for their ranking lists and that was money poorly spent...


the good thing is, they give refunds, so as soon as you realize how poorly spent your money was (and save all the rankings to your hard drive), you can get your money back. They do it quickly and with no questions asked :D


so could we gently ask you to copy paste the info you have available, so that we will not put banks and the U.S. News into the trouble of arranging transactions and waste cpu cycles and bandwidth on this matter???

thanks.

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Re: Rankings of Schools

Postby al-Haytham » Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:41 am

edit: If the moderators think that the rankings are copyrighted by US news or something like that, feel free to remove my post.
Hope this helps.
Rankings according to US news:
Atomic/Molecular/Optical
Ranked in 2006*
1. University of Colorado–Boulder
2. Massachusetts Institute of Technology
3. Harvard University (MA)
4. Stanford University (CA)
5. California Institute of Technology
University of Michigan–Ann Arbor
7. University of California–Berkeley
8. University of Arizona
9. Rice University (TX)
10. University of Maryland–College Park
University of Rochester (NY)
University of Texas–Austin
13. University of Washington
14. Kansas State University
Princeton University (NJ)
16. University of Virginia
Yale University (CT)

Condensed Matter
Ranked in 2006*
1. University of Illinois–Urbana-Champaign
2. Cornell University (NY)
3. Harvard University (MA)
4. Massachusetts Institute of Technology
5. Stanford University (CA)
6. University of California–Santa Barbara
7. University of California–Berkeley
8. Princeton University (NJ)
9. University of Chicago
10. California Institute of Technology
11. University of California–San Diego
12. Pennsylvania State University–University Park
University of Maryland–College Park
Yale University (CT)
15. Columbia University (NY)
16. University of Pennsylvania
17. Ohio State University
18. University of Minnesota–Twin Cities
19. University of Michigan–Ann Arbor
University of Texas–Austin
21. Rutgers State University–New Brunswick (NJ)

Cosmology/Relativity/Gravity
Ranked in 2006*
1. California Institute of Technology
2. University of Chicago
3. Princeton University (NJ)
4. Massachusetts Institute of Technology
5. Harvard University (MA)
6. University of California–Berkeley
7. Stanford University (CA)
8. University of California–Santa Barbara
9. Pennsylvania State University–University Park
10. University of Texas–Austin
11. Cornell University (NY)
12. Ohio State University
University of California–Davis
University of California–Santa Cruz
University of Maryland–College Park

Elementary Particles/Fields/String Theory
Ranked in 2006*
1. Princeton University (NJ)
2. California Institute of Technology
Stanford University (CA)
4. Harvard University (MA)
5. Massachusetts Institute of Technology
6. University of California–Berkeley
7. University of Chicago
8. University of California–Santa Barbara
9. Cornell University (NY)
10. University of Michigan–Ann Arbor
11. Columbia University (NY)
12. University of Wisconsin–Madison
13. Rutgers State University–New Brunswick (NJ)
14. University of Illinois–Urbana-Champaign
15. SUNY–Stony Brook
University of Texas–Austin
17. University of Washington

Nuclear
Ranked in 2006*
1. Massachusetts Institute of Technology
2. Michigan State University
University of Washington
4. SUNY–Stony Brook
5. California Institute of Technology
Yale University (CT)
7. Indiana University–Bloomington
8. Columbia University (NY)
9. University of California–Berkeley
10. University of Illinois–Urbana-Champaign
11. Duke University (NC)
12. University of Maryland–College Park
13. Florida State University
Ohio State University
University of Notre Dame (IN)
16. Texas A&M University–College Station
17. College of William and Mary (VA)

Plasma
Ranked in 2006*
1. Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Princeton University (NJ)
3. University of California–Los Angeles
4. University of Wisconsin–Madison
5. University of Maryland–College Park
6. University of California–San Diego
7. University of Texas–Austin
8. Columbia University (NY)
University of Iowa
10. University of Colorado–Boulder
University of Michigan–Ann Arbor

Quantum
Ranked in 2006*
1. Massachusetts Institute of Technology
2. Harvard University (MA)
3. California Institute of Technology
4. Stanford University (CA)
5. University of California–Berkeley
6. University of California–Santa Barbara
University of Michigan–Ann Arbor
8. Princeton University (NJ)
9. Yale University (CT)
10. Cornell University (NY)
University of Colorado–Boulder
University of Illinois–Urbana-Champaign
University of Maryland–College Park
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Re: Rankings of Schools

Postby butsurigakusha » Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:45 am

I think high energy is pretty much the same as elementary particles/fields/string theory.

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Re: Rankings of Schools

Postby christopher3.14 » Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:55 am

Can someone tell me why UCSD is so high in condensed matter? Is it for theory or experiment? (I don't mean this in some sarcastic way either, I'd like to know who's doing the cool research.)

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Re: Rankings of Schools

Postby butsurigakusha » Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:14 am

According to gradschoolshopper.com, UCSD has $3.9 million in Separately Budgeted Research Expenditures in condensed matter. That's more than any other school I've seen, in that regard. Of course, I am sure that number doesn't represent all expenditures, because one would have to be ignorant to believe that they spend more money on condensed matter research than Illinois. Still, that seems to show that they have plenty of funding, which is a good sign.

As far as who is doing the research that is responsible for their good reputation, I have no idea. I just looked at the website and found a few experimentalists who were doing things I thought were interesting. There's a pretty big supercomputing center down there, so I would guess they have some pretty good computational physics going on.

I am planning to visit next month, and hopefully I will get a feel for the strength and quality of their research.

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Re: Rankings of Schools

Postby cancelled20080417 » Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:40 am

I think UCSD is much stronger in biophysics( branch of CM) than in the broad area of CM. I would consider Brown as good UCSD in CM. There are experimentalist at Brown who discovered cooper pairs in insulators!
I do not hear any thing cool( about on going research in CM) about UCSD except the location. Well, I have not visited them, so this is just a random guess.

It surprises me that UCSD has such a funding in CM ( even greater than that of UIUC)
EDIT: I do not understnad why Princeton is so high on CM! Makes no sense. They do not have whole lot going on there. Penn State, Maryland etc can easily top out Princeton. Princeton, Brown, Yale are all of similar ranking in CM ( IMHO)

EDIT : forum is gettin pretty boring, so I am out again! gotta catch up with my classes and write the darn thesis!

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Re: Rankings of Schools

Postby peder » Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:28 pm

Does anyone know when the frakkin NRC rankings come out? It seems like they were supposed to come out since last year!!!!

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Re: Rankings of Schools

Postby zincdichromate » Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:55 pm

I wish there was some ranking that including international universities (namely Canadian and European).

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Re: Rankings of Schools

Postby guguma » Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:37 pm

Thanks al-Haytham,

by the way does the ranking of these lists go further like 30th school or 60th school or have posted all that is available.

thanks again.

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Re: Rankings of Schools

Postby al-Haytham » Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:12 pm

you are welcome...
this was as far as the rankings went.

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Re: Rankings of Schools

Postby will » Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:04 pm

I've always thought it was kind of silly how the U.S. News subfield rankings don't have a set number of schools in each category. It's very arbitrary and doesn't really give a feel for where the work goes on in the field.

Oh well, I hate rankings anyway.

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Re: Rankings of Schools

Postby VT » Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:21 pm

How many of you'll think that i made the wrong choice if i decided to go to Brown instead of W-Madison(based in terms of reputation in physics and future job prospects)? I know i am pathetic and only UIUC acceptance can help me out from this state of complete paranoia!But..... that is not going to happen. :( Anybody declining UIUC offers soon!

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Re: Rankings of Schools

Postby will » Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:48 pm

The wrong choice is only when you get there and you're miserable and don't get any research done. If it works out any other way you made the right choice. Neither school is going to look less stellar than the other, so what will make or break future prospects is what you accomplish while you're there. Personally, I know I'll do my best work in a large department; I would die at Brown, so it's the wrong choice for me.

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Re: Rankings of Schools

Postby excel » Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:54 am

VT wrote:How many of you'll think that i made the wrong choice if i decided to go to Brown instead of W-Madison(based in terms of reputation in physics and future job prospects)?


VT, I personally know a relatively new physics prof who got Ph.D. from Brown and directly got a faculty position at a respectable program (no post-doc).I also know physics students (incl. a Goldwater scholar) who have turned down offers from other well-known programs in favor of Brown.

In the specific graduate field I am considering, Wisconsin does not have anywhere near the reputation that Brown has. I do not know Brown vs. Wisconsin in physics areas though.

will wrote:The wrong choice is only when you get there and you're miserable and don't get any research done. If it works out any other way you made the right choice. Neither school is going to look less stellar than the other, so what will make or break future prospects is what you accomplish while you're there.


I think this is the key point.

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Re: Rankings of Schools

Postby VT » Fri Mar 14, 2008 10:28 am

Thanks excel and will for your comments.

I am sick of such multiple choice questions that is directly going to affect my future. I hope I do not end up getting in the 700 club again in this multiple choice question test! :(

I am leaning towards Brown because it has a small physics deparmtent, and does nice work in condensed matter experiments, biorelated stuffs, and soft condensed matter too. Where as Madison is full of quantum computing only. I do not care how good Madison is in plasma or high energy theory, because I have no interest in those areas. The main reason I am leaning towards Brown is that they have what I like and are in the East coast too.

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Re: Rankings of Schools

Postby prat » Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:47 am

Hi,

I've been admitted to MS in Engg Physics at U Virginia . How would you rate the program? Worth spending money on.. since its an MS?

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Re: Rankings of Schools

Postby jburkart » Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:42 pm

yeaahhh go davis for cosmology! our department is on the up and up




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