We don't want to evaluate international students on a harder scale, but we have to! We look at each international applicant and know, "You cost 3 domestic students." It's hard to justify, unless they're really, really good.
arunaryan wrote:Hi Takeruk,
I don't fear competition but what I fear is not being fair. In fact, I say if you take a close look at the forums, international students have been cheated left and right in this admission cycle. My personal case, I talked to many professors, graduate advisors with my profile in hand and also discussed with profs who said they will be interested in taking me into their group and bailed. I would rather say don't make promises if you are going to say "Oh well. competition sucks" I have applied to some decent schools for expt and with my profile I should land somewhere public school or no public school. Look at the number of people who got rejected on thegradcafe and count how many internationals with decent profiles and how many domestic with below average profiles. This sucks big time. If it were up to me I'll ask every international student not to apply to any US schools who have no respect or fairness left.
torch000 wrote:arunaryan, it also looks like you aimed a little high with the universities you applied to, hell I'm domestic and
I didn't even apply in the range you did (lackluster pGRE)
torch000 wrote:Well I'll put it this way, you're acting like a child by whining about it. International students are a gamble for universities, and frankly if you really wanted to continue studying physics you would have aimed for some much lower ranked schools and/or applied to the schools in your own country.
arunaryan wrote:torch000 wrote:Well I'll put it this way, you're acting like a child by whining about it. International students are a gamble for universities, and frankly if you really wanted to continue studying physics you would have aimed for some much lower ranked schools and/or applied to the schools in your own country.
Thanks torch000. I realize this. I will try to act on your suggestion. Regarding the acting like a child thing. I didn't realize why a domestic guy would reply to my thread in the first place. We have our own problems and you don't get it. Its like crashing an AA meeting and trying to lecture ppl how screwed up they were when nobody wants you there.
arunaryan wrote:America has been draining talent from all over the world through developing pool of international students who are known to be the backbone of science and technological research in the US.
Arbitrary wrote:Hi Arunaryan,
I have to say I pretty much agree with you. Getting accepted to a grad school in the US is extremely hard for internationals, especially this year. I've seen several international profiles for the 2014 fall term who were outstanding by any measure, and were accepted to far fewer schools than I anticipated (following the experience of previous years).
However, I do not wish to complain against US grad schools in most cases. True, some have rather absurd standards (e.g. UCSB charging ~100$ from internationals without admitting a single one...). I believe most schools prefer Americans over internationals partly due to a good share of chauvinism and partly due to positive discrimination, but I wouldn't call this conduct "unfair". In my opinion, most schools do give an air of measured indifference towards internationals. Actually I did initially get the feeling that I was not very welcome, and thus prepared a backup option at my home country.
nik wrote:arunaryan wrote:America has been draining talent from all over the world through developing pool of international students who are known to be the backbone of science and technological research in the US.
Help stop Brain-Draining. Stay in India.
nik wrote:Many people (like this one: viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5434) want to come to USA because they also want to settle down in USA for a good life (apart from other facilities like good research, good jobs, etc.). (Check his profile too, he got many admissions with just 77% undergrad marks from India, no MS like you, and I wrote it later how: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5203&p=45938#p45938).They are your county-men (I'm not) - you can have talk with them about your brain-drain issue if u want. But I must point out that, in my opinion, brain-drain IS a serious issue if you are a patriot of that level.
nik wrote:Thank you arunarayan for the positive reply.
My high school final was in 2000. I will be entering in PhD with 10 year younger people.
The entire world is unfair. But if you live Physics, you'll get it. if not now then the next time. Right now, Cross your finger for TAMU. I wish u good luck.
arunaryan wrote:Internationals have single-handedly paid back and more to Americans through innovations and IP. Can you tell me about how many international students who used american tax payer money have after being employed either been involved in tax evasion or any other crime directly hurting your govt or US as a country???
ashleygreene wrote:Why do international students cost more? I thought everyone gets the same stipend.
Catria wrote:ashleygreene wrote:Why do international students cost more? I thought everyone gets the same stipend.
They only really cost more at public schools; at Minnesota I would cost $52,466 (tuition waiver+insurance+stipend) to the school while a Minnesota resident would cost $44,244, when taking in account all the costs mentioned in the offer letters. I am not aware of any international-specific overhead other than tuition waivers.
And Minnesota is actually rather "free-trading" when comparing public schools due to the size of the tuition waiver difference vs. the overall cost.
So international students cost just as much as non-Minnesota residents?
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