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PeterGriffin
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Postby PeterGriffin » Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:45 pm

Howdy folks.
Im a student from old europe and applying for a phd in the new world.
Been reading this forum since a few days - _it_ _is_ _entertaining_. kudos to y'all :D

There was some post about "If I dont get into any gradschool, Ill have to look for a job in the real world".
Ever since, Ive been wondering, whether any one of you ever thought about leaving the country and doing a phd somewhere else?
Australia has good Unis. The same for europe. there is a world outside the US. and its not too bad, I can tell you.

so. keep entertaining me!

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Postby will » Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:54 pm

I've been outside the U.S., and it's just a cold and scary void out there.

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Postby PeterGriffin » Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:58 pm

lets give ourselves a random applause.

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Postby grae313 » Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:04 pm

lol will, you are funny.

yes, we are all stereotypical americans who are not aware that there is a world outside the US. :D I researched schools in Australia, Europe, and Canada pretty extensively and thought very seriously about applying there. I decided against it.

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Postby PeterGriffin » Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:11 pm

grae, why did you decide against it?
because there is no such thing as gradschoolstatistics and rankings in europe?
example: anyone applying for HEP, especially string theory should have a look at such metropolises as amsterdam or munic.
as for germany, there are excellent reasearch institutes, for example the max-planck institutes. you can do a phd there. most of them are affiliated with the lokal university.
another billion examples will follow by will.

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Postby grae313 » Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:14 pm

I was really excited about copenhagen until I learned that they only had a few courses in english and I'd have to learn another language to attend. I was pretty much limited to western europe after that. I'm interested in condensed matter and I think Europe is right there with the US if not ahead in terms of nanotechnology funding, but I was pretty much looking at Cambridge or Oxford as they were the only schools making the global top 10 and still speaking english. Cornell, IMO, is better than both of those schools in nanotechnology and as a domestic applicant, I knew I had a better shot at admissions and good funding there.

I also looked at Australia, and they have some great schools and I think it is a great place, but it just couldn't compete with the US's top 10 universities.

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Postby zxcv » Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:39 pm

From what I've heard about PhD programs in Europe, you jump much faster into research. That means you should have a clearer idea of what you want to do specifically when you apply, and you get take fewer general classes about physics. I think I would really enjoy and appreciate that broader knowledge, a lack of which can apparently also make it harder to get jobs in US academia later

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Postby PH » Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:40 pm

I actually looked very seriously at applying to schools in Europe but ended up deciding against it cos they are very stingy regarding funding. While its good to have a end date being applied, I dont work well under time constraints (which is why I hate the GREs).

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Postby twistor » Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:42 pm

I think foreign universities don't treat Americans as nice as we treat foreigners. In most other countries immigration is not encouraged as much as it is here.

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Postby PH » Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:44 pm

heh actually immigration ("potential immigration") is the #1 reason for student visa rejections. from my own experience, the US visa process is one of the strictest around. Quite a bit worse than Canada, UK, and Australia....

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Postby fermiboy » Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:58 pm

Reminds of the Futurama epsiode: Mars University.

Professor: Much like Utah, Mars was once an uninhabitable waste land. But unlike Utah, it was eventually made habitable.

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Postby fermiboy » Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:59 pm

Woah hold on there are other universities outside the U.S.? I thought everyone outside the U.S. lived in grass huts.

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Postby twistor » Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:01 pm

I thought everyone outside the U.S. lived in grass huts.


They do. The universities, though, are made of better quality grass.

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Postby twistor » Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:02 pm

heh actually immigration ("potential immigration") is the #1 reason for student visa rejections. from my own experience, the US visa process is one of the strictest around. Quite a bit worse than Canada, UK, and Australia....


Yeah, but how will the Australians act when they see a white person for the first time? That's my #1 fear and why I hardly ever leave my house.

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Postby grae313 » Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:04 pm

ROTFL!

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Postby fermiboy » Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:08 pm

I just realized what a hypocrite I am. The other day I blew up at someone for being a smartass, and the only posts I ever make anymore are smartass. In light of my new found hypocrisy, I think I will join the Republican party.

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Postby twistor » Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:27 pm

And move to Texas?

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Postby doodlebug » Sat Feb 16, 2008 1:24 pm

I applied and got accepted to a physics graduate program in Australia (University of Queensland). The problem is, you typically have to get your master's first to start PhD programs there, whereas here you usually go straight into a PhD program from undergrad. The big reason I didn't go was that there was NO funding for international students in their master's program (that I was aware of or offered, including no tuition waiver). I'll get paid to go to grad school here.

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Postby astrofan » Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:28 am

I applied and got accepted to a physics graduate program in Australia (University of Queensland). The problem is, you typically have to get your master's first to start PhD programs there, whereas here you usually go straight into a PhD program from undergrad. The big reason I didn't go was that there was NO funding for international students in their master's program (that I was aware of or offered, including no tuition waiver). I'll get paid to go to grad school here.


Wait, then I don't understand how you can make any claim to study outside the U.S. Doesn't matter if a country spends trillions of dollars on something; if, as U.S. citizens, you can't touch it, then it doesn't matter.

Just wondering, how do foreigners who study in America usually get funded? Does the country that is sending them here pay for them?




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